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Connecting a transmitter to VelociDrone mobile using 2.4G wi-fi
In developing the simulator for mobile we hit a problem that iOS just doesn't allow the connection of FPV transmitters. Not by bluetooth, usb or in fact any way at all.
To solve this we engaged with both ELRS and TBS to develop wi-fi transmitter connection and this video explains how this works.
You can use it now with the Android mobile simulator and of course will also be able to use it with the iOS version of the simulator as soon as we release it.
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Відео

Track list and how track list filters and options work
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Going through how to use the track list search, scene and track type selections and how the filter checkboxes work.
VelociDrone - Race Analysis Explained
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This is an overview of how to use the race analysis function to view yours or anybody else's racing lines in nemesis.
Flight Training - Lesson 4
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Moving to flying pylons and gates in rate mode
Flight Training - Lesson 5
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Getting into flying gates and flags, introducing the split-s. Trying out different size quads to change the quad momentum. Flying faster and changing props to give more speed and acceleration.
Flight Training - Lesson 3
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Going over angle mode, horizon mode and rate mode and talking about the differences. Also covering some very basic rates configuration to tune the sensitivity of the quad in rate mode.
Flight Training - Lesson 2
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Flying faster in angle mode, adjusting angle mode to allow more tilt angle, adjusting camera angle to allow you to fly faster and still be able to see where you are going. Also when to stop flying angle mode and transition to rate mode.
Flight Training - Lesson 1
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How to setup the drone, config your camera angle, config your field of view, config your rates, set angle mode and how to fly your first coordinated turns and complete a simple race.
VelociDrone Oct 2021 patch - Quick overview of new features / changes
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This video covers most of the changes in the latest patch (released Oct 12th 2021). In the video I mention Colby's video on the new path analysis code, you can see that video here ... ua-cam.com/video/HGS0bsqG0iE/v-deo.html
Freestyle Pack - information on how some of the features work
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How to activate cars in the drift track, how your physics settings should be set for the freestyle quads, how to access freestyle mode and how the side buttons change when you do this.
VelociDrone - Freestyle Pack - Drift Track
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Another scene from our forthcoming freestyle pack. Learn your drift car and race car chasing skills in the safety of the sim before going out to the real track to get your footage.
VelociDrone - Freestyle Pack - Construction Scene
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Another scene from our forthcoming Freestyle Pack, this one is a construction site in rolling hills with roads and nicely spaced conifer trees to freestyle around.
VelociDrone - Freestyle Pack - Island
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The next scene in our coming freestyle pack - a pacific island with a small military base and docked U boat. A radio tower and lockout posts on steep slopes for some diving fun. Lush vegetation to fly around and through.
VelociDrone - Freestyle Premium Pack - Red Valley
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Red Valley is coming in our latest premium pack along with some other yet to be announced scenes. The freestyle premium pack has been created to a higher graphical level as freestyle flyers are more orientated towards graphical fidelity than overall frame rate performance.
VelociDrone - How the main menu system has changed in the coming release
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VelociDrone - How the main menu system has changed in the coming release
VelociDrone - Sports Bar - Micro Premium Pack
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VelociDrone - Sports Bar - Micro Premium Pack
VelociDrone - Office - Micro Premium Pack
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VelociDrone - Office - Micro Premium Pack
VelociDrone - Apartment - Micro Premium Pack
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VelociDrone - Apartment - Micro Premium Pack
VelociDrone - Mini Warehouse - Micro Premium Pack
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VelociDrone - Mini Warehouse - Micro Premium Pack
Multiplayer functionality update (1-17)
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Multiplayer functionality update (1-17)
Latest VelociDrone Combat Maps
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Latest VelociDrone Combat Maps
Combat - Soccer Tutorial
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Combat - Soccer Tutorial
Combat - getting started tutorial
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Combat - getting started tutorial
VelociDrone 1-17 - taking a tour of the Future Hangar map
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VelociDrone 1-17 - taking a tour of the Future Hangar map
VelociDrone 1-17 - Hologram Gates
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VelociDrone 1-17 - Hologram Gates
VelociDrone Combat - Explaining how King of the Hill works
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VelociDrone Combat - Explaining how King of the Hill works
VelociDrone 1-17 - New SciFi Gates
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VelociDrone 1-17 - New SciFi Gates
Talking about the Dominator combat quad
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Talking about the Dominator combat quad
Classic Capture the Flag - how it differs from normal capture the flag.
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Classic Capture the Flag - how it differs from normal capture the flag.

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @kiva4137
    @kiva4137 2 дні тому

    I LOVE YOU SO MUCH

  • @Merelander
    @Merelander 2 дні тому

    hey this is super frustrating. Just got the game and it has been great until one day it just gets stuck verifying files!!! I have tried to reinstall and all the usual troubleshooting - any ideas?

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 2 дні тому

      yes, it's your antivirus. The patcher is trying to update files and your antivirus is stopping it. So it gets stuck in a patching / verifying loop. Put an exception in your antivirus for the simulator folder so it doesn't interfere.

  • @pablowasserman
    @pablowasserman 5 днів тому

    Does this disconnect your phone from WiFi internet?

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 3 дні тому

      no, it doesn't need to do that but it depends on how you do the connection, if you use a hotspot then your phone may only allow one wifi connection, in which case it would disconnect you from the internet via wifi. However 4G/5G internet would still work.

  • @mileshadley5064
    @mileshadley5064 7 днів тому

    I don’t know I’m just gonna tell my kid to bump that throttle straight up and down with those easy settings explained here in gtg in 4 hr

  • @luisfraustovicencio8817
    @luisfraustovicencio8817 8 днів тому

    Works like a charm!!! I had to update my erls tx to 3.4.2 prior but its all good to go now and works perfectly!

  • @revetastogne
    @revetastogne 17 днів тому

    This issue si still present in 2024. No, I haven;t read the description before watching the video 😅

  • @mattfortunati
    @mattfortunati 27 днів тому

    Not working anymore on my MacBook Pro M3. Was able to download and run but now after the new update the app isn't even recognized and won't be opened. Please help!

  • @stephenyork7318
    @stephenyork7318 28 днів тому

    Fuqqing agonising video to watch.

  • @ijallampatta
    @ijallampatta 29 днів тому

    the simulator jitter when i use TPA 0.65 - TPA breaktpont 1250. its smooth when use TPA 0.20 - TPA breaktpont 1650.. i hope this problem will fix in the future

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 26 днів тому

      you may need to adjust the pids to allow for the changes you are making to TPA . We have to turn the physics of the simulator down a long way to work on mobile devices, so the quads are much more sensitive to changes where you are making the tune more agressive.

    • @ijallampatta
      @ijallampatta 26 днів тому

      thanks..

  • @irahtum244
    @irahtum244 29 днів тому

    i just bought velocidrone and installed it onto my computer During the installation, my internet network was bad and disconnected... so the Velocidrone game on my PC wasn't running well... how do I uninstall velocidrone then I reinstall it Thank you for the help the problem I experienced was 1.copy paste doesn't work in pid settings please ask for a solution thanks

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 28 днів тому

      to do a reinstall you just go to your velocidrone folder, find the /app folder and delete it. Then run the launcher and it will reinstall. Velocidrone runs in a game engine - it does not support copy and paste (like most computer games), you will have to type in your rates.

  • @ultraon83
    @ultraon83 Місяць тому

    I tried it on iPad & iPhone and it works, but after a few minutes the controller (RadioMaster Boxer with ELRS v3.4.1) just disconnects from the local wifi network. I believe it requires some changes on ELRS software. Also the connection on WiFi 2.4 is very unstable from the controller.

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 26 днів тому

      we are not in control of the ERLS code, so it may be that on RadioMaster with built in ELRS they are turning off the wifi for some reason - you would need to query this with ELRS and Radiomaster as it is not something we can just update or change for you. The simulator once wifi is turned on will listen and it will continue to listen forever - we don't at any point turn off connection. If your connection is unstable then you should use a hotspot so that the data connection is being used only for stick control data and using a device right night to your iPad and controller. If your 2.4G network is busy you will have an unstable connection, similarly the further you move from your router the less reliable the connection will become.

    • @Snake_418
      @Snake_418 10 днів тому

      Try use 3.4.2

  • @irahtum244
    @irahtum244 Місяць тому

    please help me friend I have a problem with pid settings copy rate from quad is not working on my pc can you help me please

  • @irahtum244
    @irahtum244 Місяць тому

    can you fly it in line of sight mode? thanks

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone Місяць тому

      yes, if you check the flight training playlist you will see a whole series of tutorials on line of sight flying

  • @doctordilanka
    @doctordilanka Місяць тому

    Yo! Just started my simulator training with Velocidrone on my brand-new Radiomaster TX16s controller! As a complete newbie, let me tell ya, I absolutely SUCK right now, but I very much appreciate these training videos as they really help noobs like me get started! Appreciate it. It's likely going to take a LONG time for me to get an actual drone considering my skill level right now, but I'm excited about this new/fun hobby!

  • @CopperStateAerialPhotography
    @CopperStateAerialPhotography Місяць тому

    I have a tech question. Is there a way to trim the radio in Velocidrone. When I fly in Velocidrone, the "drone" constantly yaws left. I have to keep a constant right yaw position on my radio to attempt to fly straight. Any help would be great, Thanks.

    • @SeulgiJeon-ws1vx
      @SeulgiJeon-ws1vx 8 днів тому

      there is controller initial setting in this channel, try that one. If you can get another controller, try that one too.

  • @lew046
    @lew046 Місяць тому

    i conneted to my iphone to Jumper nano external module with wifi, when move throttle stick the quad pitch forward. it is mode2 all other stick inputs are correct. can you help?

  • @christopherconkright1317
    @christopherconkright1317 2 місяці тому

    Doesn’t look like this anymore how do I freestyle I paid don’t see it

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 2 місяці тому

      click single player, then add quad button, then freestyle quads button. If you see freestyle quads then you have the freestyle pack. On the scenery selection dialog there is a drop down for selecting sceneries on the left, this contains the extra sceneries in the freestyle pack.

  • @christopherconkright1317
    @christopherconkright1317 2 місяці тому

    Why is setting up your controller not intuitive…. I can get it working at all

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 2 місяці тому

      plug in the controller - go to the controller dialog in the simulator and see if it lists your controller and shows it by name (with unconfigured after it). Press the assign sticks button to run the setup wizard and follow all the steps. When you are done you should see your sticks moving. If your controller doesn't show at all in the controller setup menu then this is nothing to do with velocidrone and you have failed to connect the controller to your operating system - refer to the controllers manual on how to connect it to windows / osx or whatever you are using. Velocidone does not connect to controllers directly - it connects to the operating system provided gamepad / joystick device created when you plug it in. If this device is not there then your controller will not be seen in velocidrone and you have an operatring system / controller issue not a velocidrone issue..

    • @christopherconkright1317
      @christopherconkright1317 2 місяці тому

      @@Velocidrone it list my radiomaster boxer. When I follow along with the controller on screen it doesn’t register the movement but when I check axis I see it moving

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 2 місяці тому

      @@christopherconkright1317 OK - first ensure that you have run stick calibration on the boxer itself from the radio setup menu. This ensures your stick extents and centres are set correctly on the radio itself. Second ensure only one gamepad type device is plugged into your computer. Thirdly go to the axis display and ensure that only one axis is moving for each stick axis (ie. the radio isn't in a heli mode where two axis move for throttle). If two axis are moving for a single stick axis correct the problem in the radio settings. These actions should ensure the radio is properly prepared to be used with a simulator. Fouthly makes sure the radio memory you are using is a default memory for a drone and isn't being used for a real quad or for another simulator where they might specify that you set weight and offset in the mixer - as this will mess up the axis outputs.

  • @codis9091
    @codis9091 2 місяці тому

    is dualshock 4 supported?! i assume yes while it has a gamepad option?

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 2 місяці тому

      anything that can connect as a joystick / gamepad device to the operating system is supported

    • @codis9091
      @codis9091 2 місяці тому

      @@Velocidrone i assume yes while anything that can connect as a joystick / gamepad device to the operating system is supported? just like the dualshock 4 right?

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 2 місяці тому

      @@codis9091 a dual shock 4 will connect as a gamepad - so yes that will work. It's not ideal as what would be the throttle stick will center - and that is not very comfortable for flying a racing drone.

  • @paradox_1729
    @paradox_1729 2 місяці тому

    Which version of opentx was this?

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 2 місяці тому

      it's 7 years ago - I'm not going to remember such details. Whatever level OpenTx was 7 years ago.

  • @acpucio
    @acpucio 2 місяці тому

    FYI - The location for this video as of 4/2024 was Track Name: Pylons Scenery: Football Stadium

  • @lonelyroamer
    @lonelyroamer 2 місяці тому

    I purchase velocidrone for my iPhone/iPad. Great job! I hope to see more sceneries and drones. Unfortunately, it's not your fault, my Pocket after few time, turn off the wifi and I have to restart it again, and wait. I hope it will be stable with next ELRS version.

    • @Armando-wr9kd
      @Armando-wr9kd 2 дні тому

      Do u recommend velocidrone on iPad? Is the same that simulator for pc ?

    • @lonelyroamer
      @lonelyroamer 2 дні тому

      @@Armando-wr9kd The feel is the same. But it's a lighter version. Just 4 scenarios.

    • @Armando-wr9kd
      @Armando-wr9kd 2 дні тому

      Thanks for the info bro

  • @gibaweba
    @gibaweba 2 місяці тому

    Sorry guy, I buyed your app from App Store for iPhone at 9.99 €, but to start, at first the app asks me to signup on your site web, "Welcome to VelociDrone, please login using your credentials that you created online. Email Password Player Name Email Address Password Player Name Exit Submit" but on your site I can't find where to do this, can you help me please. (There is a banner lino at the top of the site web, that offers me a non secure link)

  • @igorgoga7985
    @igorgoga7985 2 місяці тому

    spectacular, i come from RC planes, not the same...hard

  • @ZhvavyiDron
    @ZhvavyiDron 2 місяці тому

    Hello. Just bought all your products. After several reviews. Thanks a lot.

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 2 місяці тому

      thanks for your purchases

  • @acpucio
    @acpucio 2 місяці тому

    Thanks!

  • @riebezleee
    @riebezleee 2 місяці тому

    Is there possibility to set mode 1 on screen stick control?

  • @carinazaharia9484
    @carinazaharia9484 2 місяці тому

    does somebody knows the song?

  • @samuraychicco
    @samuraychicco 2 місяці тому

    I was able to connect my Radiomaster Pocket to my iPad.

    • @radastamiaraneta1722
      @radastamiaraneta1722 2 місяці тому

      How’d you do it?

    • @andrewdatcu870
      @andrewdatcu870 2 місяці тому

      Hey how did you do it?

    • @samuraychicco
      @samuraychicco 2 місяці тому

      @@andrewdatcu870 1) ELRS 3.4 master branch installed on your module 2) ELRS wifi setup to connect to your chosen 2.4G wi-fi network 3) Your phone or tablet connected to your chosen 2.4G wi-fi network 4) wi-fi joystick turned on in the game option in velocidrone 5) wi-fi started on your ELRS 3.4 module and the little spinning / (slash sign) showing on your transmitter that wi-fi is running Note: if you are using a hotspot (recommended) as the wifi network you must have "maximize compatability" turned on for the hotspot as this will make it run as a 2.4G network, with this off the hotspot will be 5G and ELRS will not be able to connect to it. You can start VelociDrone on the tablet or phone and it should automatically detect your transmitter and you can then run assign sticks in the input menu to setup the controller.

    • @radastamiaraneta1722
      @radastamiaraneta1722 2 місяці тому

      @@andrewdatcu870 I actually have successfully connected my Radiomaster pocket to my iPad... ELRS 3.4 RC2 is out..

  • @johnnielawson5013
    @johnnielawson5013 3 місяці тому

    *Promo SM*

  • @grizboz
    @grizboz 3 місяці тому

    doesnt work on ios

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 3 місяці тому

      yes it does, we made this specifically for iOS and it has been extensively tested. if it isn't working for you then you configured something incorrectly or are using the wrong level of TBS firmware or ELRS. I suggest you look a the following link which goes through the requirements to make it work .... batcavegames.freshdesk.com/a/solutions/articles/16000181596

  • @user-lp7eu4sb9q
    @user-lp7eu4sb9q 3 місяці тому

    I have an iPad. I switch the radio to USB mode but the app doesn't show any radio controls. Wifi or Bluthoot doesn't work at all.how can I solve it? or do I have to ask for a refund? thks chris

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 3 місяці тому

      The only way to connect your controller is over the wi-fi joystick functionality ... please see the following link: batcavegames.freshdesk.com/a/solutions/articles/16000181596

    • @user-lp7eu4sb9q
      @user-lp7eu4sb9q 3 місяці тому

      thanks for the clarification@@Velocidrone

  • @johnsmithe4656
    @johnsmithe4656 3 місяці тому

    What is going on with this these days? I have the combat content but it won't work at all. Can't even find where to join a combat session and the creation part seems not to work. The interface appears to be a bit buggy and when I try starting a combat practice run nothing happens. I can fly around but not fire anything and I can't see any other quads. I have tried updating from the launcher. Anyone know what's up?

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 3 місяці тому

      it's a known issue from the last patch update - if you open a support ticket via the support menu on our website we can find your account and correct it very quickly. After the next update it will no longer do it.

  • @johnsmithe4656
    @johnsmithe4656 3 місяці тому

    Is this still working? I have the combat quad premium content and I can select the combat quad as a drone, and get into combat canyon.... There is a Combat Practice icon on the main menu, I click that and there are no options to start practice (button doesn't work) and there are also no multiplayer options for starting a real match. I have no idea how to even start this. It appears to be broken.

    • @matthewlusty7970
      @matthewlusty7970 2 місяці тому

      I have the exact same problem, did you figure this out?

    • @johnsmithe4656
      @johnsmithe4656 2 місяці тому

      @@matthewlusty7970 All I've learned is that Combat Canyon is the wrong one, you have to be in Polygon or Empty Polygon. But I couldn't get those to work either.

  • @cbcooper5848
    @cbcooper5848 3 місяці тому

    QQ, I am able to get through the course, not everytime, but can do it. The problem I have it I get going too fast and have trouble keeping it slow, and I suppose judging level. Suggestions??

    • @cbcooper5848
      @cbcooper5848 3 місяці тому

      PS, thanks so much for these videos!!!

    • @cbcooper5848
      @cbcooper5848 3 місяці тому

      Nevermind, the new drone helps more under control.

  • @heartofamericafpv5584
    @heartofamericafpv5584 3 місяці тому

    This is awesome! Thank you Ashley!

  • @bablooze9439
    @bablooze9439 3 місяці тому

    So ELRS 3.4 is not out yet and you have no information on how we can build it ourselves first, yet you already released it on Apple Store and charging for it too?.... Looking forward for more information, please.

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 3 місяці тому

      As the video quite rightly points out - go to the ELRS website for instructions on how to build ELRS. You can build ELRS 3.4 yourself, using their instructions. It makes no sense at all for us to be the producers of how to build ELRS when ELRS have an entire website dedicated to that single purpose. Also ELRS is not the only way to connect, the Team Black Sheep Tango, Mambo, Crossfire and Tracer modules can all also connect using latest firmware from TBS - and again the best place for information on how to make updates to TBS equipment and configure wifi for TBS equipment is TBS. You can also fly with onscreen sticks - so the fact that 3.4 ELRS is not available as a ready built release (but you can build it yourself) was not a reason to delay release of the software.

  • @fx_node
    @fx_node 3 місяці тому

    can I get it to work on the meta quest 2 via an apk with side quest or something?

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 3 місяці тому

      we have a VR version in development but you will have to wait a little bit for that to be available. We don't distribute an apk for this, so I'm not sure you could make this work via side quest.

  • @ug8903
    @ug8903 3 місяці тому

    how do you get the camera so close to the drone?

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 3 місяці тому

      scroll wheel on the mouse will adjust the camera zoom

  • @adventuresofjandk
    @adventuresofjandk 3 місяці тому

    Awesome tutorial

  • @tyhursteyetc
    @tyhursteyetc 4 місяці тому

    Mine won't update at all, going back to liftoff

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 3 місяці тому

      it will only update if it needs to - if there is no update to do it won't do anything. What makes you think you need to do an update?

  • @mojaviex6470
    @mojaviex6470 4 місяці тому

    It would be epic to see something like this in real drone races

  • @NickMaovich
    @NickMaovich 4 місяці тому

    guys why don'ot you come to Steam? 😢

  • @skywave12
    @skywave12 4 місяці тому

    This simulator training is by far the best and above what The DRL simulator has to offer. Keep up the good work.

  • @ulungprabowo
    @ulungprabowo 4 місяці тому

    I wish you make a trial version for this. I want to buy but I am afraid my laptop could not handle this.

  • @ChainsawFPV
    @ChainsawFPV 4 місяці тому

    I was almost going to ask on the FB group a couple days ago, how that blue analysis one worked. As I am pushing to improve my skills, I am finding myself using tools I have never bothered with before. Being able to analyze the line really helps. And now that you made a video, and I see my name at the end (Chainsaw), guess I need to revisit this track and do better..... Lol P.S. Would be cool to do a small series where you analyze other pilots flying. I would love someone to look at what I am doing, and give some direction to area's I need to improve, and ways to improve it. A 5-10 min episode each on different pilots. There has to be plenty of pilots out there, that would accept constructive criticism to help improve.

    • @rookiec4
      @rookiec4 22 дні тому

      I'm sorry, this guys is not a content creator mate :) He has LOADS of things to do. He just makes vids about sims new patches and how to use the sim in best ways stuff vids which is highly appreciated.

    • @ChainsawFPV
      @ChainsawFPV 22 дні тому

      @@rookiec4 I figured as much, but was worth a shot. If you want to learn freestyle, there are so many videos out there. But there is nothing for any type of direction in racing. It seems unless you live near someone fast, and they want to help, a person is on their own learning.

  • @locksmith9580
    @locksmith9580 4 місяці тому

    This is awesome I literally just bought this sim like a day or 2 ago. Thanks for these videos

  • @dsemolian3071
    @dsemolian3071 4 місяці тому

    🤘BITCHIN🤘Thanks for doing these, you're a good instructor! Coincidentally, about a week ago I ran Velocidrone for the first time in 1.5yrs! Haven't actually flown in about 2. These will help unfold some wrinkles in brain!

  • @armortk
    @armortk 4 місяці тому

    Хороший проект, он должен жить.

  • @chaiblack6814
    @chaiblack6814 4 місяці тому

    i learnt a lot from your previous series.. thx man

    • @Velocidrone
      @Velocidrone 4 місяці тому

      this was just updating the first few episodes as the interface has changed a lot and it needed a bit of an overhaul, I'll probably being doing some more replacement videos, just got to work through and find the ones that actually need it as a lot of it is just how to fly information and that is relevant regardless of the UI.